Rythen wrote:
sylveon wrote:
Rythen wrote:
Just want to drop that the silence rule only works if you say it in Furcadia. It is null and void if applied elsewhere.
This part's actually untrue, and I'm just stating that for posterity. Cironir has actually acted upon offsite harassment to intervene depending on the situation. As well as Furc-adjacent communities like FAM and probably this one as well, and that's why the silence rule is a bit of a wall.
I understand, and now I getcha. I just meant open lines of communication probably felt cut with it because no one wants to violate a silence rule and make someone feel ickier.
sylveon wrote:
Rythen wrote:
sylveon wrote:
Rythen wrote:
Just want to drop that the silence rule only works if you say it in Furcadia. It is null and void if applied elsewhere.
This part's actually untrue, and I'm just stating that for posterity. Cironir has actually acted upon offsite harassment to intervene depending on the situation. As well as Furc-adjacent communities like FAM and probably this one as well, and that's why the silence rule is a bit of a wall.
I understand, and now I getcha. I just meant open lines of communication probably felt cut with it because no one wants to violate a silence rule and make someone feel ickier.
But in all honesty, this thread was intended to be about the alts, not about the other issues that have cropped up between Light and a few of her old friends.
Okay, back on the alts, then.
The two she claimed she wanted back have been returned. I've also returned/let her keep a number of their paired alts and will be setemailing a few more once I calm down and can brave through my Effexor's brain zaps enough to go through my list.
SHE can contact me directly if she wants to talk. I will listen.
I'm down for that. But I am not up for talking with the rest of you. It should have remained between her and I to begin with. :')
@mods: please don't delete this thread. This is literally the ONLY place my proof is being posted, FAM is deleting everything pertaining to me and my side. Everything. They won't even let me talk to them and haven't for about a month so how on earth was I ever going to discuss this?
The two she claimed she wanted back have been returned. I've also returned/let her keep a number of their paired alts and will be setemailing a few more once I calm down and can brave through my Effexor's brain zaps enough to go through my list.
SHE can contact me directly if she wants to talk. I will listen.
I'm down for that. But I am not up for talking with the rest of you. It should have remained between her and I to begin with. :')
@mods: please don't delete this thread. This is literally the ONLY place my proof is being posted, FAM is deleting everything pertaining to me and my side. Everything. They won't even let me talk to them and haven't for about a month so how on earth was I ever going to discuss this?
Only one set of posts have been deleted and nothing has even been posted since. If the mods of FAM allow it, I'm sure you'd be free to post the same snippets of convo that Esb has already posted. They're all on the first page of this post, even. I took those directly from her message in FAM.
Rythen wrote:
Only one set of posts have been deleted and nothing has even been posted since. If the mods of FAM allow it, I'm sure you'd be free to post the same snippets of convo that Esb has already posted.
They haven't allowed it!
Akechi wrote:
Rythen wrote:
Only one set of posts have been deleted and nothing has even been posted since. If the mods of FAM allow it, I'm sure you'd be free to post the same snippets of convo that Esb has already posted.
They haven't allowed it!
Plus they are the exact same things already posted by her, that I included back on page one. They're just not cropped out from the rest of the convo. I got them from her message. I sure as hell didn't take the screenshots.
Rythen wrote:
Akechi wrote:
Rythen wrote:
Only one set of posts have been deleted and nothing has even been posted since. If the mods of FAM allow it, I'm sure you'd be free to post the same snippets of convo that Esb has already posted.
They haven't allowed it!
Plus they are the exact same things already posted by her, that I included back on page one. They're just not cropped out from the rest of the convo. I got them from her message. I sure as hell didn't take the screenshots.
She failed to mention the rest of it. How she didn't bring it up when we talked again, how she said even in her personal note it was okay, etc. Either way, she should have mentioned it again immediately after we agreed to hash things out, or come up to me before all this was posted. I said I wouldn't be returning Apollo and yet here we are, with proof posted that I was thinking about it even before the threads were made. She could have talked to me about it sometime before then after we calmed down!
She didn't so her words of it's fine still stand true even if she wants to turn around and suddenly say they aren't. If she wants to argue they aren't, that's on her, and once again she can talk to me directly about it and we'll talk!
Akechi wrote:
Rythen wrote:
Akechi wrote:
Rythen wrote:
Only one set of posts have been deleted and nothing has even been posted since. If the mods of FAM allow it, I'm sure you'd be free to post the same snippets of convo that Esb has already posted.
They haven't allowed it!
Plus they are the exact same things already posted by her, that I included back on page one. They're just not cropped out from the rest of the convo. I got them from her message. I sure as hell didn't take the screenshots.
She failed to mention the rest of it. How she didn't bring it up when we talked again, how she said even in her personal note it was okay, etc. Either way, she should have mentioned it again immediately after we agreed to hash things out. She didn't so her words of it's fine still stand true. If she wants to argue they aren't, that's on her, and once again she can talk to me directly about it and we'll talk!
It's relevant because there's a lot of stuff in this thread that wasn't posted over at or allowed on FAM. You right. I'm still down if she wants to talk to me directly though, that should have been the first thing she did honestly. 
RE: Rikki's Response to Deleting My Screenshots, to whomever it concerns
Also, in regards to Rikki's 'correction' on FAM, if anyone cares... they banned me a month before the thread was made. Before she labeled the alts 'stolen'. I have attempted all contacts with all involved. I have been blocked by all moderation. I have attempted to reach out to the two main moderators over this, I have attempted in every way possible to reach out to them for a simple explanation as to WHY I was banned (which I only just recently received after having to ask Esbreeon about it again, who failed to tell me she'd spoken with them at all until a few days after the fact), and have been blocked and lashed out at for simply trying to explain MY SIDE. People have tried to reach out for me.
Has it done anything? No. The people who have tried to speak on my behalf have been shrugged off, told 'nope', or told to block me. Proof has been deleted. All I wanted was to get my word in before this escalated. Clearly, that wasn't given to me. They are not allowed to say she has been mistreated in this regards when their very team itself refuses to listen to both sides of the story.
The two screenshots that are posted here are not even the several that were delete, which I've reposted here, but rather a screenshot of their automated botting system of her deleting them. Ergo, it seems like their staff is very much trying to hide what I requested to be posted.
Has it done anything? No. The people who have tried to speak on my behalf have been shrugged off, told 'nope', or told to block me. Proof has been deleted. All I wanted was to get my word in before this escalated. Clearly, that wasn't given to me. They are not allowed to say she has been mistreated in this regards when their very team itself refuses to listen to both sides of the story.
The two screenshots that are posted here are not even the several that were delete, which I've reposted here, but rather a screenshot of their automated botting system of her deleting them. Ergo, it seems like their staff is very much trying to hide what I requested to be posted.
I've left the person in question offline whispers about this and would like to request no one else comment on the thread, or speak to me about this until I've spoken with Cironir. The only exception is the user in question, Esbreeon. These are the only two people besides myself that should rightfully be involved right now, and those are the only people who should have been involved from the very start.
I am tired. I need rest. The drama has gone on long enough. There are personal things in this matter that play a large part. I won't post these. And she shouldn't either. I want to move on. As far as I'm concerned (and logs are concerned, even from recent events), this has been resolved. I've returned the two she initially requested back, and kept the one she stated she didn't care about. Twice.
Since it is one sided and I obviously have my permission to post it I'm cross referencing here. Her alt name has been censored.
Light wrote:
10/26/19 04:03:02 Futaba: I have no interest in speaking with you after this, but please consider reaching out to me before you label me a thief, two months after the alts were taken. I had already considered returning Apollo and Xerneas the night before all this went down. We could have spoken peacefully about it and the threads could have been avoided. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:03am FST)
10/26/19 04:03:48 Futaba: I've already set them to your email as I am sure you've noticed. You may keep his catten, I don't want to deal with this any longer. I am tired, emotionally and physically, and I am sure you are too. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:03am FST)
10/26/19 04:04:01 Futaba: We could have talked about this. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:04am FST)
10/26/19 04:05:19 Futaba: Please do not speak to me again. You are on the silence rule, as seems to be popular lately. I am more than happy to break this, however, if you are willing to sit down and discuss this. I don't hate you and I don't resent you, as I've said before. I'm just disappointed, and sad. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:05am FST)
10/26/19 04:05:27 Futaba: Goodbye, ESBREEON. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:05am FST)
10/26/19 04:06:25 Goro: And thanks for all the fish sob (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:06am FST)
(04:11:04) Goro: Ah, actually, no, check your paypal too, if you haven't already. I refunded you for something you gave me a long time ago. A friend has stated they are happy to assist in at least paying you something back for Dark, even if we logically probably shouldn't, if just because we really want all this to pave over. ;_; (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:11am FST)
(04:11:04) Your whisper was stored and will be delivered when the furre comes online
(04:13:41) Goro: That's it, have a nice life! I'll be looking forwards to Cironir's whispers. slight_smile (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:13am FST)
(04:13:41) Your whisper was stored and will be delivered when the furre comes online
10/26/19 04:03:48 Futaba: I've already set them to your email as I am sure you've noticed. You may keep his catten, I don't want to deal with this any longer. I am tired, emotionally and physically, and I am sure you are too. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:03am FST)
10/26/19 04:04:01 Futaba: We could have talked about this. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:04am FST)
10/26/19 04:05:19 Futaba: Please do not speak to me again. You are on the silence rule, as seems to be popular lately. I am more than happy to break this, however, if you are willing to sit down and discuss this. I don't hate you and I don't resent you, as I've said before. I'm just disappointed, and sad. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:05am FST)
10/26/19 04:05:27 Futaba: Goodbye, ESBREEON. (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:05am FST)
10/26/19 04:06:25 Goro: And thanks for all the fish sob (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:06am FST)
(04:11:04) Goro: Ah, actually, no, check your paypal too, if you haven't already. I refunded you for something you gave me a long time ago. A friend has stated they are happy to assist in at least paying you something back for Dark, even if we logically probably shouldn't, if just because we really want all this to pave over. ;_; (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:11am FST)
(04:11:04) Your whisper was stored and will be delivered when the furre comes online
(04:13:41) Goro: That's it, have a nice life! I'll be looking forwards to Cironir's whispers. slight_smile (Offline message sent Oct 26, 04:13am FST)
(04:13:41) Your whisper was stored and will be delivered when the furre comes online
Please leave me alone.
Please leave her alone.
Please leave this thread alone.
I want only the two aforementioned people to contact me in regards to this. I will not talk with middle-men. Middle-manning complicates things.
As of 10/29/19 after some middle-manning with Cironir, this entire situation has been resolved
I have returned Apollo and Xerneas of my OWN ACCORD to her.
I was not held at gunpoint to do this.
In agreement to this she has agreed to surrender her share of the owner's rights to Dark to me. Therefore, none of the alts here can be considered stolen (and never were) as of 10/29/19, and probably shouldn't have EVER been considered stolen. Just miscommunication between the two parties involved.
I do not steal alts, and I've never stolen alts. Keep this in mind for the future, please. Time to move on.
I have returned Apollo and Xerneas of my OWN ACCORD to her.
I was not held at gunpoint to do this.
In agreement to this she has agreed to surrender her share of the owner's rights to Dark to me. Therefore, none of the alts here can be considered stolen (and never were) as of 10/29/19, and probably shouldn't have EVER been considered stolen. Just miscommunication between the two parties involved.
I do not steal alts, and I've never stolen alts. Keep this in mind for the future, please. Time to move on.
