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I wonder if a lot of people are missing the Find RP tool in their considerations here? The forums aren't mean to be the main mode of finding roleplay, that's what the tool is for. Whether or not the forums get their topics pushed back is irrelevant to being able to find a topic because the Find RP tool will use the parameters set by you and the posters/seekers to find a match.

That's why the Find RP tool exists, to make position on the board irrelevant and help you finetune your searches.

I'm honestly not sure why we still have the boards in the first place in the rebuild. The Find RP tool was built after the forums were made and the Find RP tool isn't detailed enough yet to meet all our needs, so it makes sense to keep the original boards to allow people to browse more efficiently. But if the Find RP tool gets updated and has all the features that are currently missing, it seems like the boards will only serve to purpose as an archive collective of no longer relevant topics. This causes issues with necroing threads, people never using the tool, and in turn this inhibits our ability to create matches.

So I guess my question is, what would the purpose of these boards be in RPR 2.0 if we have a properly functioning tool that lets us filter and match efficiently? I see their purpose now, but only because the tool is lacking.
Sanne makes a good point, but it would be interesting to see how many people use the Find RP tool, however. There is also the point that the Find RP tool only shows 20 results.
I still don't like the find RP tool. While it can be useful, it's limiting and still doesn't give enough suggestions. You're stuck with what's "renewed" or recently bumped. I'd rather spend my time scrolling specific forums for multiple interesting ideas, instead of trying to refine it down to a single thing. This is why the AO forum is so important to me. I'd rather it be left separated from the general forum and have better filters for it.

Edit: With how the LFRP tool works right now, if the forums were eliminated all together, I'd be infuriated because it would be a never ending bump fest from the same topics and things would hardly ever change for anyone to find anything. please, for the love of this community, do NOT get rid of the forums all together.
That's why I mentioned "if we have a properly functioning tool that lets us filter and match efficiently". AKA if the tool gets updated to include better functionality, I don't see any reason why boards would be useful. They're only useful right now cause the tool is lacking in features. This would also include less specific search results that accommodate random browsing.
Find RP tool.... targetted or restrictive?

For me, I see as the latter. To be honest, I very rarely use the Find RP Tool because I feel it doesn´t display enough results to be appealing for me.

I personally dislike the sliding bars where you have to choose only 1 option within a set range.

Maybe if the sliding bars were check boxes too where I can choose several options at any one time I might try it out more often (not all the time!) but my experience so far using the Find RP tool with the sliding bars is that the results I have found were too limited to be satisfactory (at times no results found at all! when the LKFRP forum is crawling with brilliant posts) to the point I just browse the LKFRP forums directly.

I feel that the bars narrow the results too much to offer a broad selection for me to choose from.

For example...

Having to select 1 specific amount of magic (I can do no magic to high magic and enjoy all options in between at any given time - so I wish to see all options with and without magic)

Having to select only 1 specific time period (I like stone age, bronze age, iron age as much as renaissance, industrial revolution at any given time - so I wish to see all these time periods in the search results without having to run several searches)

Having to choose an amount of combat (I am comfortable going from little combat to war like scenarios - so I wish to see all these posts as well)

Needless to say I am a writer who can do from 1 liners to multi paragraph, freeform to occasional dice use and I join either type of writing at any time.

Even if there were better filters, it still does not beat going to the LKFRP forums and seeing every possible post and trawl through the first few pages to see the ones that have appealing titles for example without need to have to think of a specific key word like medieval, fantasy, pirate

Many posts may be about those topics but the key word may not directly be written in the title of the post so it could be left out of the search results for example

The crux of this forum discussion is that LKFRP - AO forum has a mature audience only where I don't need to be as cautious on the content of my RPs or those RPs I choose to join

Take away the Adult Only section, those of us who don´t particularly enjoy the Find RP tool will become edgy looking through the one forum and having to determine if each post is AO or not
I don't have any suggestions, there have been many options put out there, but I am in heavy agreement that there needs to be a change. I went onto the AO forum yesterday because I just wanted an rp with another adult, and found myself wading through a veritable swamp of smut lfrp postings.
It would be really nice to find rp with fellow adults that had good plot and content. Not smut.
I suspect that even if the Find an RP tool had an option that basically just displayed an entire LFRP board, most people still wouldn't use it because it feels more natural to go through the forums to check it.

No matter how great a tool is, people won't use it if it doesn't feel like the natural thing to do. (And it does definitely need work. The few times I've tried it, I've ended up going to the forums anyway.)

And even though we reasonably should have no interest in posts that are not presently open, people don't like to feel they're missing something, especially when we know that renewing posts is commonly forgotten.
Having read through the whole topic to make sure that I wasn't going to be saying something that's already been beat to death, I think that I have a solution that might work, although it may be a little complicated to implement, it would also force, to a certain degree, compliance.

Adding a "confirmation page" that comes up after the "Publish Topic" button is clicked. This confirmation page can/would ask questions like "Does this post conform with the rules of posting in all public areas?" and perhaps asking the previously mentioned question of the 'degree/purpose' of sexual content, if any. It could even be done on the extra-tricky side by providing multiple check boxes instead of a 'pick one' set, so that any post that is sort of 'spammed' with all the boxes ticked is then rejected, like when you miss a required field filling out an online form. I see this working to force compliance because it will make people slow down and think about their posts and if they are categorizing it appropriately. After that, people can search by the filters that they want to go with.

As for the idea that posting with that is going to cumbersome, I can only say there's going to be some sort of trade-off. Wouldn't getting the exclusion of the "oooh baby hawt" smut-driven rps from the search be worth the mild inconvenience?
Tusitala2017 wrote:
Having to select 1 specific amount of magic (I can do no magic to high magic and enjoy all options in between at any given time - so I wish to see all options with and without magic)

Having to select only 1 specific time period (I like stone age, bronze age, iron age as much as renaissance, industrial revolution at any given time - so I wish to see all these time periods in the search results without having to run several searches)

I think you're using the tool completely wrong. The search tool is design to allow you to pick a range, not "1 specific time period."

If you don't care what time period or magic quantity, you don't have to narrow the range one whit - you can leave it at anything from 0 to 100% and then you'll be shown all available RPs. Or if you can RP anything from modern to the future but aren't interested in RPs set in the past, set it to 50% to 100%.
I'm just going to reiterate, as I've said several times before: This could be implemented such that most of you would not notice it had been changed.

There seems to be a fear that the filters would be confusing or cumbersome to use. We could easily leave the existing links in place if we wanted and you could see what amounts to the existing LFRP-AO forum.
Hadeslicious wrote:
These forums move extremely fast, having it all combined would make it virtually impossible to keep up with the front page of them when those busier days kick up the dust.
Lightside wrote:
With the way you further detailed it, I can see where you're coming from, but Hades also brings up a very good point with the speed of how posts move on the general and AO forums.
For years now, I have been basically entirely insensitive to arguments about slowing down the front page of the LFRP forums. There have been a lot of them.

The thing for me is: as the site grows, it will speed up, little by little. It's already the case that a topic rarely stays on the front page of the LFRP forum for more than 24 hours, certainly not more than 48. Back in the day you could rely on 72 hours on the front page at least, sometimes a full week. But it's sped up, and will keep speeding up.

Over the long term, this is actually a direct indicator of the health of the site, as it means there are more people around and more RPs to pick from. Whether we combine the forums or not - it's going to get faster and faster. Or the site is slowly dying, but let's not go there right now.

Therefore: Regardless of how nice it might be in the small scale, trying to slow it down is a doomed quest I have long since abandoned. The only answer is to make the front page real estate of the LFRP forum(s) less valuable.

This was a big part of why the search tool was created, because for those who use it, it makes the front page real estate meaningless - topics where the OP has been active in the last 10-12 days are shown in random order, meaning you only have to bump once every two weeks to stay just as relevant as everyone else rather than every single day (or, say, twice a day, four times a day -- whatever it may be as things get busier.)

If you don't like the 20 results you got, just refresh - you'll get another random assortment where the OP is active in the last 2 weeks.

Moreover, you can mark RPs as uninteresting to you, and they will never again be part of the 20 results you get, making the incessant bumping of someone/something you find uninteresting unable to force out results you might not have seen yet. This basically means that with routine use your results get more and more relevant.

You are welcome to not use the tool at all and continue to search the forums directly, but know that no matter what we do here, they're already getting faster and if we're all lucky will continue to get faster for a long time.
Even with a better understanding of how the LFRP tool works, and know how it is structured. I still 100% prefer to use the forum instead. It's nicer to scroll through, look around through many forums instead of constantly hitting an "uninterested" button, because there might be a time I want to look that specific one over again later.
I 100% totally prefer the forums over the tool itself. I get why it was created, and I see that it can be extremely useful to the user base, but it isn't what I want to personally spend my time doing to find stories with other writers. Regardless of a gradual speed up, I don't want to see forums shoved together and would rather have a safe and fully adult forum to peruse and sort through with better filters.

If there were an option where we could fully and totally eliminate, as adults, not seeing any posts in the LFRP topics that are NOT created by someone under 18, it'd be easier for me to listen to the idea of changing the forums. I say this because I already have my privacy settings adjusted so that I cannot receive friend requests or be messaged by anyone under 18. If I could have the option to not see any LFRP posts at all by anyone under 18, I'd be more inclined to listen to the ideas about changing the forums to one.

I want an adult space where I don't have to worry as much about younger audiences around my content or trying to interact with me. This is why I love the AO forum, because while it is possible for kids to lie about their age, my chances of running into a younger user are decreased IMMENSELY by having that space.

Novalyn said it best. It doesn't matter how useful or well working the tool is, if people don't want to use it because it doesn't feel natural to them, they're not going to use it. I understand the push for it, but I prefer forum scrolling over anything else.

EDIT: I would also definitely like to see an 18+ badge on peoples profiles, even on anonymous characters. No one should be required to disclose their age, but being able to tell that a writer is at least of a _legal_ age would make things more adequate. Writers and characters alike, because then I don't feel the urge to ask someone to prove that they're 18+ by telling me they can read something from one of my topics in the AO forum.
I know I'm late to this, but I'm here to beat a potentially very deceased horse.
My 2 cents on this whole thing is that if we kept the LFRP-AO and implemented a slider bar for erotic or smut content (however you'd like to word it) as was just put in for Romance it would work out extremely well. If you wanna see smut only options - congrats! That can be all you get! If you want story with none or a small possibility of it as a natural progression of character development, you can filter for that.

With this filter, I believe it would also solve the issue of topics falling off the first page rather quickly (for those that are concerned about this). And by doing that alone, would probably solve the main issues surrounding the AO forum right now, and not cause further discord.

This isn't to say that you aren't working your ass off, Kim, because you are and we all appreciate it immensely. ( <3 ) I would like to claim that I understand the push to get things in a different way, change it up, hopefully make it easier on the mod team, etc entirely, but I don't. However with what I do understand and can see, ultimately, I kind of feel that this goes with the old saying; "If it's not broke, don't fix it." (Especially with all the issues of the RP Search Tool, which I was under the impression was still very much in beta, until that news announcement about it yesterday.)
Hadeslicious wrote:
If there were an option where we could fully and totally eliminate, as adults, not seeing any posts in the LFRP topics that are NOT created by someone under 18, it'd be easier for me to listen to the idea of changing the forums. I say this because I already have my privacy settings adjusted so that I cannot receive friend requests or be messaged by anyone under 18. If I could have the option to not see any LFRP posts at all by anyone under 18, I'd be more inclined to listen to the ideas about changing the forums to one.

Kim's said that this would definitely be possible. Merging the boards together without a filter to manage it would get messy quickly! From earlier this thread:
Kim wrote:
To expand on that, you'd have four possible views:

1) "all ages" which would mean literally all ages, and if you're an adult that would include stuff marked for adults only, but not stuff marked as including sexual content even if you're an adult. This would be the default view starting out. This would mean you'd see all non-smut RPs that you are eligible to participate in as the default mode of existence.

2) "adult only" which would mean ONLY stuff marked as being for adults only, and posted by other adults, but NOT marked for sexual content. This would be the start of your "safe space" where only adults are.

3) "adult only + allow sexual content" which would mean stuff marked as being for adults only, posted by other adults, and would include both stuff that is marked for sexual content and not marked for sexual content. Still under the "safe space" for adults umbrella.

4) "Adult only + require sexual content" which would mean ONLY stuff that is marked for sexual content + being for adults only. Still under the "safe space" for adults umbrella.

In general, marking something for sexual content would automatically mark the "I only want other adults to see and join this RP ad" box, but marking the "I only want other adults to see and join this RP ad" would not automatically flag it for sexual content.
After reading everything and mulling it over, I'm not against the idea. Combining the two forums, but separating them by toggling and filters would make browsing much easier if pulled off well, especially for someone like me. Also, there may be adults who don't use the AO forum because they have no idea where it's located or don't like the set up, but don't touch the all ages forum either because of lack of safety or other reasons. I think this would definitely help expand the pool for adult players seeking RP with other adults.

However, the execution is what worries me. The AO forums is something we're all used to and find comfort in. It's not much of a case of, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," in my eyes, since all things have to be upgraded one day. It's more of a case of, "Is it really necessary to upgrade it in this manner? Are there any alternatives that won't sacrifice too much yet still be a happy medium? If there is no other way, how do we go about it without compromising security and comfort for users? Etc., etc.."

If that makes any sense, of course; I'm writing this at 1:35 a.m., after all. Overall, I'm just going to keep my eye on this forum, because the ideas and the intentions are good. I just want to see how it'll be executed if this is something you want to do and if everyone else hops on board with it; that's the only thing nagging me with worry.
At the risk of panicking a few people... After this discussion and rebuilding dozens of related features and seeing how much easier and useful they could be with restructuring, I'm pretty sure I'm going to do this - or rather, some version of this.

The main objection seems to be about the filters being hard to use, more confusing than what exists now, less convenient, or removing existing functionality.

The explanations given have not convinced me that people who can click a link that says "adults only" now would find a very slightly different link that says the same thing on it (or even possibly literally the same link in literally the same place?) and returns the same posts as now meaningfully harder to use, more cluttered, more confusing, or less safe.

Which is not to say that this discussion has had no impact on me - On the contrary, it has been massively useful and impactful! I have taken a lot of notes about what we'd need to be especially careful of in implementing. Also some notes about some more "PR" work that is to be done to teach people about how to take best advantage of existing tools, and how to adapt to new ones coming down the pike. What I have planned now is much better fine-tuned than what I was considering when I first wrote the OP of this topic, and that is very exciting to me.

You WILL still have a safe space with only adults in it, if that's what you want. You were always going to. For most, it'll be drastically easier to find out about and access than before.
Kim wrote:
The explanations given have not convinced me that people who can click a link that says "adults only" now would find a very slightly different link that says the same thing on it (or even possibly literally the same link in literally the same place?) and returns the same posts as now meaningfully harder to use, more cluttered, more confusing, or less safe.

Now this is where I'm a little lost. Do you mean something like the AO forum link that we have now redirecting us to the integrated forum instead, but with the adult filters set instead of the all-ages one? If so, then yes; if there was a filters tab, then people most likely wouldn't notice unless they opened the filters. However, I would also feel a bit decieved by clicking said link and it sends me to the integrated forum with active filters, you know? I'd rather just cut out the middle man if that's the case, to make the transition a lot less painless. I think that's the only issue I have with the link redirecting us to the integrated forum thing. Kinda feels misleading in a way.

However, I could be dead wrong, and I'm misreading it somehow. I'd love some clarification.
Why would it be misleading if all you see are adults in there, and only other adults can see it too?
Hmm, point taken. I think it's the knowledge that it's not the same forum as before that bothers me. So if it was kept like that, I still wouldn't feel right, even if the filters did separate everything and only other adults can see it. But, I wouldn't mind it redirecting me to the integrated forum if it was a transitional sort of thing. Something to help us get used to the idea before getting rid of the link entirely at a later date. If that's the case, then I wouldn't mind it!

I'll admit it's a confusing topic to me, and there are some things I don't quite understand. I do like (or can get used to) the concept of the forums being integrated with filters, but it's the link idea that's lost me.

If it's something to be implemented, is it possible that we can opt into or out of it? That way, we have the choice to jump right into the new forum or transition slowly via the link. Also, what about new accounts that get made after the forums are integrated? Do they get the same treatment as older accounts, or are they automatically introduced to the new forum system?
@Kim

I can see you are very keen in having only one LKFRP forum and I understand that this will ease the workload for moderators too.

I am sure you have thought out this solution, read the feedback in favour and against this proposal, and still deemed it to be the best going forward.

Question...

Will there still be the checkbox in my main profile, as it is today, that shows only posts created by adults (regardless if the post has adult content or not) whenever I go to LKFRP forum directly and this checkmark I can enable to see only posts made by adults or disable to see posts made by all users (adults and minors)?

Today, the AO forum is enabled/disabled from view via checkbox in my profile.

If the unified LKFRP forum listing is managed through this profile choice (indepent of the refined Find RP tool search results) I would not mind having 1 combined forum.

It will be great to additionally be able choose specific results using the improved Find RP tool to remove smut content for example but I like the tranquility of knowing that just going directly to the LKFRP forum, outright, none of the RPs listed there was created by minors in the first place (whenever AO choice is enabled in my account)

Or will the unified forum rely solely and entirely on having to use the Find RP tool to see only the posts made by adults?