seconding that i'd love the option for people to be able to tag an entire profile as being generated by AI, and for individual gallery images to be tagged as AI. i have very strong negative opinions about AI that i think some people have already stated here, so i won't devote a lot of time to doing so myself. i think that if you support AI this will be a good feature also, because you can find other people that haven't written their own characters and you guys can tell chatgpt to write your posts back and forth for each other and make all of your art lol
seriously though, im an illustrator and a writer. i prioritize practice and hard work at skills that i am not good at. i've spent years working on my writing and visual art. i have been a member of RPR off and on since i was 12 years old, writing and drawing my characters and making profiles for them. i PRACTICED at it. my first profiles were HORRIBLE and uninteresting, my artwork was also absolutely heinous! i find it to be lazy and honestly cowardly in a way to use AI to generate anything about your character, whether it be things written in the profile, visual representations, or your posts themselves. i'd rather see someone do "poorly" at writing or drawing their character than ever rely on something that steals aspects of what it is using from other artists/writers to create whatever end product you request from it. i'd rather see someone try their best and grow, rather than have their hand held through a creation process that they learn nothing from because it was all done for them.
and, if you "can't draw"? COMMISSION REAL ARTISTS. artificial intelligence is already ROBBING them of work. if you don't want to apply yourself to visual art, and learn and practice, fine! but at least support actual visual artists!!!
i personally also dont find it stimulating or fun whatsoever to engage with someone who... didn't even write their character. it literally, to me, rips the soul right out of text-based roleplay. if i could avoid all of that and only interact with other creatives, as opposed to content that honestly doesn't feel ensouled, i would really love that as an option.
(to clarify, things like avatar creators (picrew) dont bother me, because a real person made that and released it for others to use, for free. each thing you see in a picrew maker was drawn by an actual person and as long as credit is given with a link back to the avatar creator, i dont see an issue. other things like heroforge, again, were coded and created by an actual person. not the same thing as artificial intelligence stealing millions of pieces of artwork not intended for that purpose and smashing it all together to make a picture of a jacked lizard or what have you.)
seriously though, im an illustrator and a writer. i prioritize practice and hard work at skills that i am not good at. i've spent years working on my writing and visual art. i have been a member of RPR off and on since i was 12 years old, writing and drawing my characters and making profiles for them. i PRACTICED at it. my first profiles were HORRIBLE and uninteresting, my artwork was also absolutely heinous! i find it to be lazy and honestly cowardly in a way to use AI to generate anything about your character, whether it be things written in the profile, visual representations, or your posts themselves. i'd rather see someone do "poorly" at writing or drawing their character than ever rely on something that steals aspects of what it is using from other artists/writers to create whatever end product you request from it. i'd rather see someone try their best and grow, rather than have their hand held through a creation process that they learn nothing from because it was all done for them.
and, if you "can't draw"? COMMISSION REAL ARTISTS. artificial intelligence is already ROBBING them of work. if you don't want to apply yourself to visual art, and learn and practice, fine! but at least support actual visual artists!!!
i personally also dont find it stimulating or fun whatsoever to engage with someone who... didn't even write their character. it literally, to me, rips the soul right out of text-based roleplay. if i could avoid all of that and only interact with other creatives, as opposed to content that honestly doesn't feel ensouled, i would really love that as an option.
(to clarify, things like avatar creators (picrew) dont bother me, because a real person made that and released it for others to use, for free. each thing you see in a picrew maker was drawn by an actual person and as long as credit is given with a link back to the avatar creator, i dont see an issue. other things like heroforge, again, were coded and created by an actual person. not the same thing as artificial intelligence stealing millions of pieces of artwork not intended for that purpose and smashing it all together to make a picture of a jacked lizard or what have you.)
A lot of the pro-"AI" arguments, including the wishy-washy stances, are entirely disingenuous or arguing about definitions as if it's not clearly understood what we're talking about. Arguing about definitions is a tactic to waste time that could be spent being productive, so let's not fall for it.
Creatives and "AI" users will always have a divide because the latter can only exist by causing harm to the former. Both camps know this, but only "AI" users benefit from pretending that there is no harm.
Creatives and "AI" users will always have a divide because the latter can only exist by causing harm to the former. Both camps know this, but only "AI" users benefit from pretending that there is no harm.
AgentMilkshake wrote:
The big question to address here and why I feel that way is the label feels like shaming or even bullying. I see it as a scarlet letter. While everyone has been respectful of stating their anti-AI opinions, it feels like those people who are forced to add this warning are going to be shunned or outcast from the group, thus the feeling of bullying. Polite or not, several people have already commented about essentially blacklisting anyone that has anything AI on their profile. Not exactly welcoming or inclusive is it?
Other people setting boundaries on who they want to play with is not bullying. People not wanting to play with users who use AI generated content is their right as much as it is your right to continue using AI on RPR.
AgentMilkshake wrote:
Again, I use very little AI on my profile and I do see some validity in some of the concerns, I just don't see it as the same kind of issue as adult content or potentially upsetting like foul language or violence. Well intentioned policies often have unintended consequences. Does a policy that isolates even a few people that have been long time supporters of this site or drives them to leave because they suddenly feel judged seem worth it?
It's not really relevant if you see it as being an issue or not. It's a very real and big issue for others that has already affected their real lives in very tangible and staggering ways. You not seeing that or experiencing it doesn't negate the consequences AI has on others. It's not fair to others to prioritize you wanting to feel more comfortable with your voluntarily choices at the expense of others being subjected to something they don't wish to engage with because of the real life effects it's had on their lives.
AgentMilkshake wrote:
This site seems to pride itself on being a safe space and inclusive.
Part of what makes us a safe space is that we require transparency about what people do and use. Again, this is about people being allowed to maintain their boundaries in an enforcable way. A lack of transparency basically makes it impossible for people to enforce their boundaries.
AgentMilkshake wrote:
I consider myself a writer. I don't know a lot about graphics and apps and art tools. All I want is visual depictions of what my characters look like. It feels like aside from finding a public image of a celebrity, I'll either have to leave my icon blank to be safe or feel guilted into hiring an artist to draw all of my characters if we have to start applying AI labels.
Free stock photo websites are a thing we, both the moderators and the community as a whole, have been encouraging for this purpose for many many years. All you have to do is ask where you can find alternative images. I use free stock photography for a lot of my characters. For those for whom I can't I commission artists to make a drawing for me.
And when I can't commission artists I use free stock photography as a placeholder for the icon, which doesn't have to be a face, it can be anything. Even just an image that suits a moodboard for the character.
You can find images for your characters that are not AI generated here:
https://unsplash.com/
https://pixabay.com/
https://www.pexels.com/
And for creating your own versions using existing photography, you can download a free image editing program like GIMP or Krita to make it happen.
The bottom line is that a warning tag is just that: a warning tag. I'm not sure why people being allowed to maintain their boundaries and you being required to ensure they can puts you on the defensive so strongly that you equate it to bullying, but I think it's worth taking some time to think about.
AgentMilkshake wrote:
But posting age isn't mandatory. I feel that is far more important, however, than whether or not an image on a character is AI or not.
Oh a and just to respond to this, we have made tools available so that only people within your own age group can contact you which enables you to maintain your boundary of only roleplaying or speaking with adults.
Hey people, it kind of makes me sad seeing that breach widening between all these great writers. Really, the more I read, the more a tear shows in my eyes. Please…
Artificial Intelligence will for the next years be in everyone’s mouth, for sure. But I dislike the way this discussion turns, at the end there will be ‘war’ between pro and contra, don’t let it get this far.
All of you have an interesting view of what it is and what AI implies. I’m in the middle as I can create my own art and be ‘satisfied’ with this or that AI picture (ok, I’ll return to scetching).
And to get back to the initial idea of this thread, the demand for a ‘warning’ when AI is used. I think this is necessary! If it is for those who use, those who accept to see and those fully against. No discussion here of how far AI is implemented or not in this or that feature, no discussion of ‘voluntary’ or ‘sensed’, just the discussion of accepting or not.
The way this ‘warning’ will be realized might depend on our beloved moderation team and the one realizing it, please cherish Kim for that.
Thanks for reading
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Artificial Intelligence will for the next years be in everyone’s mouth, for sure. But I dislike the way this discussion turns, at the end there will be ‘war’ between pro and contra, don’t let it get this far.
All of you have an interesting view of what it is and what AI implies. I’m in the middle as I can create my own art and be ‘satisfied’ with this or that AI picture (ok, I’ll return to scetching).
And to get back to the initial idea of this thread, the demand for a ‘warning’ when AI is used. I think this is necessary! If it is for those who use, those who accept to see and those fully against. No discussion here of how far AI is implemented or not in this or that feature, no discussion of ‘voluntary’ or ‘sensed’, just the discussion of accepting or not.
The way this ‘warning’ will be realized might depend on our beloved moderation team and the one realizing it, please cherish Kim for that.
Thanks for reading
😢
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