Kim wrote:
ARCHITECT wrote:
What I have observed as well is that the new generations of roleplayers have grown their own communities among themselves, recreating the medium from the ground up in environments more suited to them, their styles and their interests. When they do it, it's very rarely on websites like this one. Instead it's in more transient places: sandboxes like Minecraft and Roblox communities, the forums of pet sites, wikis, the open chat inside of games. You have to Be There to participate and participation is often public.
The funny bit is, I think that's how most of us started. I certainly remember trying to RP on the Neopets "forums", such as they were. It wasn't until later that I proceeded to sites and games dedicated to RP.
Re: site stats, participation is down from the heyday of the RPR but less than people think. A LOT of activity has transitioned to PM and groups. Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
I used to live on RP servers on WoW back in the day haha. I also used to run my own poorly modded RP sites when I was a teen, and then I found Note-roleplays on DeviantART. Gods, the places I've been 😂
I will say, I did look around earlier today and many of the sites I found demand you only RP in the open forums and do not permit DM roleplay. I found this really strange, and honestly I think the fact RPR has no such rule is why it will survive longer than other forums. Like you say, Kim, people are not as inclined to play openly on boards anymore. I used to do that back in the day but have also grown very weirdly uncomfortable with it. I like to stay in the DMs with my friends hah.
Kim wrote:
ARCHITECT wrote:
What I have observed as well is that the new generations of roleplayers have grown their own communities among themselves, recreating the medium from the ground up in environments more suited to them, their styles and their interests. When they do it, it's very rarely on websites like this one. Instead it's in more transient places: sandboxes like Minecraft and Roblox communities, the forums of pet sites, wikis, the open chat inside of games. You have to Be There to participate and participation is often public.
The funny bit is, I think that's how most of us started. I certainly remember trying to RP on the Neopets "forums", such as they were. It wasn't until later that I proceeded to sites and games dedicated to RP.
Re: site stats, participation is down from the heyday of the RPR but less than people think. A LOT of activity has transitioned to PM and groups. Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
Might be true. Issue is, all the alleged RP is nonverifiable. Because, obviously, no one can see DM's. All visible metrics support Min-ya's claims.
Groups that are visible are mostly dead. I know, I looked into them as thats what I prefer. At least the one's that aren't locked away. Which returns to verifiability.
Kim wrote:
ARCHITECT wrote:
What I have observed as well is that the new generations of roleplayers have grown their own communities among themselves, recreating the medium from the ground up in environments more suited to them, their styles and their interests. When they do it, it's very rarely on websites like this one. Instead it's in more transient places: sandboxes like Minecraft and Roblox communities, the forums of pet sites, wikis, the open chat inside of games. You have to Be There to participate and participation is often public.
The funny bit is, I think that's how most of us started. I certainly remember trying to RP on the Neopets "forums", such as they were. It wasn't until later that I proceeded to sites and games dedicated to RP.
Re: site stats, participation is down from the heyday of the RPR but less than people think. A LOT of activity has transitioned to PM and groups. Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
Everyone's mileage will vary. I have had no real luck with the ads I posted. They respond, but stop the moment I provide a sample, an introduction post, or a sheet. Well, all but one. Who actually decided to RP in my group. Thank you little Doe you're amazing. Ancedoctal, but that's all I can run off of. I do agree most are "shy." I will tell you now, the only reason we joined is that we could start a group if we had no luck in the general forums or DM. But something tells me most prefer the DM RP route. So you have the stats, I also run a few websites and know you have that data available and other data point. I can do some peeking through Semrush and other such tools. But little of that information is relevant.
Novellaro wrote:
Might be true. Issue is, all the alleged RP is nonverifiable. Because, obviously, no one can see DM's. All visible metrics support Min-ya's claims.
Groups that are visible are mostly dead. I know, I looked into them as thats what I prefer. At least the one's that aren't locked away. Which returns to verifiability.
Groups that are visible are mostly dead. I know, I looked into them as thats what I prefer. At least the one's that aren't locked away. Which returns to verifiability.
Can you clarify what you mean by this?
If the issue is that you can't tell if other people are RPing, I don't know why anyone who wasn't invited to those RPs would need to verify any of them as existing or not. This is the nature of privacy.
If the issue is you think I'm just making stuff up, I'm not sure why you'd want to be on a site I run.
Kim wrote:
The funny bit is, I think that's how most of us started. I certainly remember trying to RP on the Neopets "forums", such as they were. It wasn't until later that I proceeded to sites and games dedicated to RP.
Kim wrote:
Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
Novellaro wrote:
Might be true. Issue is, all the alleged RP is nonverifiable. Because, obviously, no one can see DM's. All visible metrics support Min-ya's claims.
Novellaro wrote:
Might be true. Issue is, all the alleged RP is nonverifiable. Because, obviously, no one can see DM's. All visible metrics support Min-ya's claims.
He has nearly 50 ic posts in 4 days. He is being that change.
ARCHITECT wrote:
Kim wrote:
The funny bit is, I think that's how most of us started. I certainly remember trying to RP on the Neopets "forums", such as they were. It wasn't until later that I proceeded to sites and games dedicated to RP.
Kim wrote:
Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
Novellaro wrote:
Might be true. Issue is, all the alleged RP is nonverifiable. Because, obviously, no one can see DM's. All visible metrics support Min-ya's claims.
We are that change. Before we moved our rp from fantasy general to winterwake groupd due to an issue I wont go into. It had 50 ic posts from our group in 3 hours.
I made about 10 posts if not more in the public fantasy tavern Trixie.
And have 40+ ic posts in winterwake group.
I am being that change
Ah, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. When I specified open roleplay, I did indeed mean roleplay that is on the main RPR forums where anyone is allowed to participate, rather than in a group. After all, it is the main forums that are most accessible and visible for the sake of metrics and similar things.
ARCHITECT wrote:
Kim wrote:
Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
Oof this hit. No-one in my real life knows I RP and I've done it since I was 10. 10! Not even my besties know. This is my thing, it is very dear to me, and dang I can certainly understand the want to just not have the panic/worry/stress of being percieved, judged, or seen out in the open. Good point.
ARCHITECT wrote:
Ah, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. When I specified open roleplay, I did indeed mean roleplay that is on the main RPR forums where anyone is allowed to participate, rather than in a group. After all, it is the main forums that are most accessible and visible for the sake of metrics and similar things.
120 ic posts in 4 days that was in fantasy forum. Winterwake is also visible. BTW. You can view it now. It isnt private with the rp hidden.
But I digress. I dont expect anyone to pay attention. Going to move on. Since we are being that change you said we should have been. Nothing left to be said on it.
ARCHITECT wrote:
Ah, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. When I specified open roleplay, I did indeed mean roleplay that is on the main RPR forums where anyone is allowed to participate, rather than in a group. After all, it is the main forums that are most accessible and visible for the sake of metrics and similar things.
I was aware my post was with that in mind. I am not counting hidden or private rp. After all, I understood the context.
The_Diva wrote:
120 ic posts in 4 days that was in fantasy forum. Winterwake is also visible. BTW. You can view it now. It isnt private with the rp hidden.
Oh, I see. I didn't see a recent thread by either of you in there so I assumed it was a group RP you were referring to. There is Trixie's Bar I suppose but it's been mostly one liners for a long time and that doesn't seem your speed.
Novellaro wrote:
Kim wrote:
ARCHITECT wrote:
What I have observed as well is that the new generations of roleplayers have grown their own communities among themselves, recreating the medium from the ground up in environments more suited to them, their styles and their interests. When they do it, it's very rarely on websites like this one. Instead it's in more transient places: sandboxes like Minecraft and Roblox communities, the forums of pet sites, wikis, the open chat inside of games. You have to Be There to participate and participation is often public.
The funny bit is, I think that's how most of us started. I certainly remember trying to RP on the Neopets "forums", such as they were. It wasn't until later that I proceeded to sites and games dedicated to RP.
Re: site stats, participation is down from the heyday of the RPR but less than people think. A LOT of activity has transitioned to PM and groups. Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
Might be true. Issue is, all the alleged RP is nonverifiable. Because, obviously, no one can see DM's. All visible metrics support Min-ya's claims.
Groups that are visible are mostly dead. I know, I looked into them as thats what I prefer. At least the one's that aren't locked away. Which returns to verifiability.
I think Kim's point was that as the site admin, she has the tools to monitor non-public activity. She doesn't look at the content of DMs and group forums unless there's a very very good reason to do so (think of rule breaking content that isn't allowed even in private conversations and roleplays) but if she says the activity exists, she says so because she can verifiably measure it behind the scenes.
ARCHITECT wrote:
The_Diva wrote:
120 ic posts in 4 days that was in fantasy forum. Winterwake is also visible. BTW. You can view it now. It isnt private with the rp hidden.
Oh, I see. I didn't see a recent thread by either of you in there so I assumed it was a group RP you were referring to. There is Trixie's Bar I suppose but it's been mostly one liners for a long time and that doesn't seem your speed.
Be the change you want to be. We tried that there. Ended with some appreciating it, some didnt. So we stopped.
Sanne wrote:
Novellaro wrote:
Kim wrote:
ARCHITECT wrote:
What I have observed as well is that the new generations of roleplayers have grown their own communities among themselves, recreating the medium from the ground up in environments more suited to them, their styles and their interests. When they do it, it's very rarely on websites like this one. Instead it's in more transient places: sandboxes like Minecraft and Roblox communities, the forums of pet sites, wikis, the open chat inside of games. You have to Be There to participate and participation is often public.
The funny bit is, I think that's how most of us started. I certainly remember trying to RP on the Neopets "forums", such as they were. It wasn't until later that I proceeded to sites and games dedicated to RP.
Re: site stats, participation is down from the heyday of the RPR but less than people think. A LOT of activity has transitioned to PM and groups. Many younger folks have that constant self-monitoring thing going on that makes them feel very shy about their RPs being available to be read by just anyone, who might have judgements real or imagined.
Might be true. Issue is, all the alleged RP is nonverifiable. Because, obviously, no one can see DM's. All visible metrics support Min-ya's claims.
Groups that are visible are mostly dead. I know, I looked into them as thats what I prefer. At least the one's that aren't locked away. Which returns to verifiability.
I think Kim's point was that as the site admin, she has the tools to monitor non-public activity. She doesn't look at the content of DMs and group forums unless there's a very very good reason to do so (think of rule breaking content that isn't allowed even in private conversations and roleplays) but if she says the activity exists, she says so because she can verifiably measure it behind the scenes.
He is speaking from the normal person's perspective. As in what they can see. He is aware how websites work. He builds and maintains them and does SEO management for a living.
The_Diva wrote:
He is speaking from the normal person's perspective. As in what they can see. He is aware how websites work. He builds and maintains them and does SEO management for a living.
That's precisely why Kim mentioned it. She's privy to the information the rest of us are not, that's why she shared it. Novellaro's post read to me as not understanding this, hence my elaboration on it.
Sanne wrote:
The_Diva wrote:
He is speaking from the normal person's perspective. As in what they can see. He is aware how websites work. He builds and maintains them and does SEO management for a living.
That's precisely why Kim mentioned it. She's privy to the information the rest of us are not, that's why she shared it. Novellaro's post read to me as not understanding this, hence my elaboration on it.
Thats fine. Misinterpretation happens. Due to a lack of clarity or otherwise. Its been cleared up.
The_Diva wrote:
Be the change you want to be. We tried that there. Ended with some appreciating it, some didnt. So we stopped.
There is something of a, er, status quo established in that particular thread, and it's one reason I never tried to post in it (though I did think about it a couple of times when the desire to drop-in write was quite strong.) I know you've gone on to make your own group, but I am genuinely curious, why didn't you try starting an open thread of your own in the fantasy forum? The people who appreciate your style would know exactly what they were signing up for from the starter and the participation would be enthusiastic, I'm sure.
Min-ya wrote:
Oof this hit. No-one in my real life knows I RP and I've done it since I was 10. 10! Not even my besties know. This is my thing, it is very dear to me, and dang I can certainly understand the want to just not have the panic/worry/stress of being percieved, judged, or seen out in the open. Good point.
I have a few fellow tabletop roleplay pals in real life (all of us are mostly retired from it) but aside from them this is the case for me as well. I used to be very reclusive about my art, too, and still tend not to post it to the greater public. There's just something awfully personal about creative expression, and the inherently social character of roleplaying seems to contradict it. The results are certainly wonderful when they have the chance to land, though!
Gang, I'm very sorry that this thread got derailed. The_Diva and Novellaro have now been refused service from the site after speed-running their three strikes over the past four days. Mods have had to remove literal pages of misbehavior from these folks in other threads. As one of the several mods that was involved, I'm kind of gobsmacked by how they were characterizing things like their participation in Trixie's bar. It has convinced me they are not interested in participating here in good faith.
If you need to ask questions, kindly reach out via PM so we aren't derailing this poor thread any further.
Back to your regularly scheduled discussions!
If you need to ask questions, kindly reach out via PM so we aren't derailing this poor thread any further.
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